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Silmor · Jul 11, 2005, 11:38 AM // 11:38

But lack of chatting is at the base of the problem. I've had people say 'brb' and be gone for hours, literally; usually when they first thought they were just grabbing a snack, then ran into their dad and got told to paint the fence or something similar. If you don't communicate this to your team, they're going to be expecting you to 'brb'. And they're going to wait. And wait. And finally, after half an hour, they'll be forced to conclude that you're not coming back, and that they just spent half an hour of the two spare hours they had doing nothing.

If you're going to the toilet, say so. If you're grabbing a snack, say so. Give estimates when you'll be back, and make sure you make it back when you said you'd be back. And being apologetic never hurt: something unexpected came up that is inconveniencing your team, and you're responsible. As minor as it may be, you are still the disruptive factor.

PieXags · Jul 11, 2005, 11:38 AM // 11:38

Muahaha...mission a success. Posting in this thread not only allowed me to make some valid points but it also moved me up from a..."Ministry of Knowledge".

On another note...

That being said I think we can all agree that...

You should always do what you can to try and avoid the possibility of having to go afk for any period of time during a mission or quest. If by some chance some outside influence has screwed up your planning and you need to say, get the phone or answer your door, these things are fine as they can't be controlled and should be announced as more than just "brb", rather you should say something more like "One moment please, someone's at the door, 2 minutes." Or something like that to get more communication across.

Ashley Twig · Jul 11, 2005, 11:41 AM // 11:41

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Originally Posted by Aaaaagh

Me, I dont want to "let" you eat. Eat on your own time, if you have other things to do in real life, dont get yourself involved in something that you cant commit too.

I think some of us are taking the game a bit too serious.
My time, your time.
It's the team's time.
And if the team thinks it's ok, why not give the wo/man a break?

Is it really that difficult to actually give time? Share time?

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Originally Posted by Aaaaagh

It's rude as hell.

It's rude to ask for a little bit of time to do what a wo/man needs to do?

Silmor · Jul 11, 2005, 11:42 AM // 11:42

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Muahaha...mission a success. Posting in this thread not only allowed me to make some valid points but it also moved me up from a..."Ministry of Knowledge".

No offense, but that is why forum titles should've been disabled along with postcount.

silvertemplar · Jul 11, 2005, 11:44 AM // 11:44

EDIT : sigh seems im offtopic, so just preventing more flames.

PieXags · Jul 11, 2005, 11:46 AM // 11:46

Hey, I didn't know I'd move up a title. The thread in the off topic board only goes up to ministry, I had no idea how many posts I needed or what the next thingy even was. I just figured I'd point it out.

And not to get off topic...

In response to Ashley's statement. Well, that's a good mentality to have. And it can work like that in most situations so long as there's communication. Otherwise people get sort self-centered, because when nobody talks they don't even know anyone else is hardly there or even cares.

And to templar...

This isn't an anti-guild wars thread buddy, go somewhere else for that crap if you're trying to prove a point that "guild wars" isn't a casual game.

It is NOT the game it is the PEOPLE who play the game. I personally got yelled at for having to let my dog in once back in WoW. Quit with the "not a casual game" crap already, that point doesn't have anything to do with the topic.

Principa Discordia · Jul 11, 2005, 11:46 AM // 11:46

Silver this is not a debate about wether or not the game is a casual game, there's already threads about this?

Aaaaagh · Jul 11, 2005, 11:47 AM // 11:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ashley Twig

My time, your time.
It's the team's time.
And if the team thinks it's ok, why not give the wo/man a break?

Is it really that difficult to actually give time? Share time?

It is absolutely my time. I dont give MY time up easily.

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Originally Posted by Ashley Twig

It's rude to ask for a little bit of time to do what a wo/man needs to do?

If you had read my post, you would have seen that it was alright to go grab some food. What I meant by that was, its fine to afk for a few minutes, its not alright to go afk for 20 minutes and eat dinner. Bathroom, fine...got diaherea, dont join my mission!!

MAH TIME!

Ninna · Jul 11, 2005, 11:49 AM // 11:49

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Originally Posted by Silmor

Give estimates when you'll be back, and make sure you make it back when you said you'd be back.

this also helps the party decide if they want to wait or continue

many people are tolerant if they know when you are expected back

if they are lacking information regarding your AFK,
many will assume the worst after 10 minutes and assume you are either freeloading or not coming back

Pevil Lihatuh · Jul 11, 2005, 11:50 AM // 11:50

Well, although I'm like Principa Discordia in that I never missed class/work to go to the loo, I don't mind people needing a loo break. You can't always help it. What if you're playing with a woman? Sorry to bring it up but there are times we need to dash off to the loo guys. And that's ok, because usually its 2 mins at the most.

"one sec, just gonna grab a snack", ok, no prob, I do that too. Keyword is Snack. Snack usually means it can be eaten whilst playing, so the only time lost will be while they go to the cupboard/fridge, get the snack out and sit back down.

Now if you know you are going to work/bed in half hour, or that food is cooking and will be done soon, don't go into a mission. Join exploration groups maybe, or at least state "hey guys, I'll have to go in half hour" but dont just join then half hour later say "sorry, gotta go". Coz that is annoying. If the party is forewarned then at least they can either try to get the mission done in that time, or they will be ready to be one man down.

Silmor · Jul 11, 2005, 11:51 AM // 11:51

I play this game very casually, usually with my guild, sometimes with pickup groups. I drink my coffee in outposts, go to the toilet after we're done, and if something unexpected comes up I will notify my team appropriately.

This is called 'casual with consideration for others'.

How would you like to play casually for an hour, only to spend that hour waiting for other people? Casual gaming has nothing to do with it, just basic respect for others.

If I play Monopoly for an hour, I'll take the same preparations. Only in single-player games do you have the freedom to do as you please, and even then I prefer to take breaks at appropriate moments (after a race, after a dungeon, etc).

KaPe · Jul 11, 2005, 11:51 AM // 11:51

"It's a big difference whether someone needs a 2 min potty break or goes afk for 30 minutes to prepare dinner. I"

And it's a big difference if someone says "brb" and goes and if he says "Sorry, have to go to bathroom(or however you say it in english

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PieXags · Jul 11, 2005, 11:52 AM // 11:52

Well said Pevil.

On another sort of on-topic sense.

I don't have a problem people going afk for a moment. So long as we know about it.

What I hate most of all...is the people who just go afk in a mission and don't say anything. You just notice halfway through that they're way back near the beginning...either that or you're all dead, and your camera goes to the last person alive...who is afk. That pisses me off.

And to be honest if someone goes afk WITHOUT letting me know at all, *kick*.

Enough said.

Ninna · Jul 11, 2005, 11:59 AM // 11:59

I dont even tell my party what I'm doing
- I only tell them how long I need (when they are at a safe spot)

AFK 2 minutes

sometimes the party waits for me .. sometimes the party advances anyhow

party doesnt really care what you are doing, they are more concerned with how long is your AFK going to take ?

silvertemplar · Jul 11, 2005, 12:03 PM // 12:03

EDIT : sigh seems im offtopic, so just preventing more flames.

Sagius Truthbarron · Jul 11, 2005, 12:06 PM // 12:06

I usualy atleast make sure the group is ok with it. Even if I do just say "brb" I'll wait for an "Alright". If I have to eat I'll say "Alright, food's ready. Is it ok if I sit over here and eat? I have resses if everyone dies".

yah, you do have some good points, Principia, but also, if you've been playing for a good 4 hours straight it's hard to keep track of time. You can't always make a big plan for everything that's going to happen durring a 2 hour mission. Don't you think that's a reasonable conclusion?

PieXags · Jul 11, 2005, 12:07 PM // 12:07

You know the only real flaw with your post Templar is that you obviously didn't bother reading through the posts in this thread.

There were many more suggested "remedies" posted many times, I'd list them for you. But I think you're more than capable of going to find them yourself 'eh?

Nobody here has said "You don't like it go play another game", the only one who SUGGESTED that was you, in your "this doesn't happen in WoW".

And note I'm note the only one who stated you were off-topic.

Argon The Seeker · Jul 11, 2005, 12:11 PM // 12:11

I Never go into PUGs because if I go to answer the phone people usually quit or kick me... Its really annoying! I can't plan when my phones gunna ring for gods sake!

there should be some kind of option to allow you to follow someone and attack whatever they do so that your atleast not totaly gone and PUGs dont kick you

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Originally Posted by Sagius Truthbarron

I usualy atleast make sure the group is ok with it. Even if I do just say "brb" I'll wait for an "Alright". If I have to eat I'll say "Alright, food's ready. Is it ok if I sit over here and eat? I have resses if everyone dies".

holy! you actually leave and go and eat dinner then comeback? wow and you call that not inconsiderate? sorry but the better thing to do would be either log out or bring the food to the computer.

Ashley Twig · Jul 11, 2005, 12:19 PM // 12:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aaaaagh

It is absolutely my time. I dont give MY time up easily.

They say, there's no "I" in "TEAM".
How can it be your time then?
The moment you join a team, you agree to share your time with the time of other players.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aaaaagh

If you had read my post, you would have seen that it was alright to go grab some food. What I meant by that was, its fine to afk for a few minutes, its not alright to go afk for 20 minutes and eat dinner. Bathroom, fine...got diaherea, dont join my mission!!

Got your point. Though I would've gotten it without (what in rethorics is called "killer phrase") the unconstructive "haven't read my post"-element.

asdar · Jul 11, 2005, 12:19 PM // 12:19

I'm glad they booted you.

I'm sick of freeloaders and it sounds like you make a habit of it.

This weekend I had 3 guys that just zoned into missions and sat at the entry. The worst was Dragon's lair and we fought glint and lost with 7, well it automatically brings that person along and they were out of aggro range so we all sat there for 5-10 minutes and map's out losing the trip to Droknars.